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[Bas]

Hi,

Sorry aber ich mache das auf English, weil mein Deutsch zum schreiben nich so gut ist :D

It has to be said, that MSI took over the forum by force.
They gave Christian a Laptop as payment, this should have been said, as it was a hostile takeover.
The other parts of the statement are also not true.

Like you have discovered the other day, the forum was down for 3~4 day\'s after the storm.
This was because MSI doesn\'t work weekends.
Even Xela was asking me if I knew something, as I don\'t run this forum, I din\'t know anything nor could solve the problem.

Another problem is that the forum admin can\'t change/alter the forum at all unless they ask MSI permission.

The Global/Polish/Dutch MSI forums went down during the storm as well, we quickly noticed and put everything back online within the hour.

As said, we don\'t host do this forum, but we would like to offer the same for the German forum, speed, uptime and total access for the Admin.

So far this offer was turned down, and you saw the results when it went down last storm.
We can do better and still offer the same speed/security/uptime as e.g. the global forum has.
Maybe something to think about, as the next time something goes wrong in the weekend, the forum will be down until monday...
Remember, MSI doesn\'t work in the weekends, we do!

I still offer MSI German forum on the MSI Global forum server, they just have to take it.

Bas.

[Xela]

Hello Bas.

We couldn\'t accept a Change to the Global Server because the Owner from the Forum is still MSI Germany represent to Michael.

You must ask them.

The only Admin who can make affects or making Changes on the Server are Michael.

Only MSI Employes have Access to the German Server.
Michael is Only Active if we have an Server Problem like the last Wekend.
The Active Admins for the German Forum have no Access.
Only I have limited access to the Server, but i could not make changes or somthing else.


Ich hoffe ich habe alles verstanden was Du geschrieben hast. :winke

[Bas]

I have mailed to Michael before, it didn\'t matter one bit, he never replied.

I\'m not talking about the MSI German main-page but just the forum.
What happened in the past was real bad, and the truth to this should be told.

Christian handed over the forum because of a Laptop.
MSI Taiwan offered me the same but I declined, I got the laptop later on anyway without the need to turn over the forums I do.

MSI even gave us a new server last year to push the speed to incrediable levels.
If you guys want the same, just tell me and ask MSI Germany to hand it over and you get the same level of access/speed/support.

The whole thing started over a few things, let me sum them up:

1st: A stupid German user flashed a BIOS wrong and blamed MSI, big time.
2nd: Inside MSI Taiwan/Germany some emproyees tried to make promotion to put us in a bad spotlight.
3th: They offered Christian and me a Laptop, Christian took it, I declined.
4th: As Christian already took it, you where handed over to MSI servers, as I declined the Global and Dutch forum mods/admins went on strike to keep the forums in our own hands/control
5th: The MSI employee that tried to make promotion was demoted and never heard from again.

This means that all other forums are handled/used/run by us the users and MSI is very happy with that, except for the German forum.
That one has been given back and you know the results.

Fun part is, that MSI Taiwan own the Global server, we don\'t, we run it the way we see fit, so far MSI has no problems with that and let us do our thing.
I think it\'s about time that MSI Germany let us do the German forum the same way all other forums are run.
Doesn\'t mean I have to do it, could be somebody else, but it should be done by the users in all it\'s function.
At the moment, you can\'t even alter it or restart it if needed without passing MSI.
Then to think, it all started with 1 German user, and MSI Germany got scared and 1 employee that tried to make promotion over our heads.

That was what happened, and I do call upon you to take a stand, and turn the forum into something that does comply to your needs and is better for the users & MSI in the end.
MSI Taiwan/Holland/Poland did see this happen and they did let it in our hands.

So it\'s upto you.......

[HKRUMB]

hallo  Bas;)  ...warum wird das hier besprochen ? ...

[Xela]

Ich glaube auch nicht, das Michael anspringen wird.

Das MSI Forum gehört MSI Deutschland.

1. Das ein User das falsche Bios flascht ist das Problemes des Users.
BIOS flashes sind keine Garantie sache.
2. Das flashen eines Mod Bios ist immer auf eigene Gefahr (Disclaimer).

3. Das jetzt mal Stromausfall war ist höhere Gewalt.

4. Ich hatte im Global Forum nachgefragt ob etwas Bekannt war (Ursache / Wirkung). Betraf ja das Forum und die HP von MSI.
 Da das MSI Global Forum ja auch betroffen war.
5. Ob MSI mit einer \"Privatisierung\" des Forums einverstanden ist, wage ich zu bezweifeln.


@Heiko:
Das ist ein Angebot von BAS, das MSI User Forum Deutschland auf dem gleichen Server zu Hosten wie das Globale Forum.
Ihm geht es nur darum die Erreichbarkeit des Forums stabil zu halten.
Nur wenn Stromausfall ist, dann ist es egal auf welchem Server das Forum liegt, dann ist schicht im schacht.

Einen Vorteil für uns sehe ich allerdings nicht.

[Bas]

Warum nicht?

Das forum war down und es daurte 3 tagen vor es wieder online war.
Auch, nichts hat sich geandert seit die unbername von MSI.

Auch warum nicht auf eine andere server mit full access?

I still don\'t understand why this forum is still controlled by MSI and the admin/mods are just tools of MSI Germany to maintain the forum.
Just think about it, Germany alone is 80 Mil people, and there are just so little posts?
Even the Dutch forum does better then this one.
Also the layout and design hasn\'t changed in years, it still the design (that stinks and has bugg\'s when you select English!) that Christian made years ago.

Doesn\'t it need a facelift and get better?
Try to select English for use, it has many flaws, just to name something.
Other, the fonts are so small, people with reading problems can\'t read it at all.

On top, take the downtime because of the storm, 3~4 days, that should have take that long at all.

[Xela]

Das siehst Du falsch Bas.
MSI Kontrolliert uns nicht.
Wir haben volle Freiheiten.
Ob wir nun das Layout ändern, oder neue Icons basteln.
Ist einzig und alleine unsere Sache.
MSI Funkt uns da nicht dazwischen.

Das dieses Forum auf Englisch geführt wird, wird es Nie geben.
Ist ja auch ein Deutsches Forum oder hab ich das falsch verstanden.

Die Downtime von 3-4 Tagen kann es auf jedem Server geben, wenn der STrom in nem ganzen Bundesland weg ist.

Nennt sich höhere Gewalt.

Und was hat die Einwohnerzahl mit den Postings zu tun ?
Das Kappiere ich nicht.
Ist doch eher Positiv zu sehen, viele User wenige Probleme :rolleyes:

[Bas]

Originally posted by Xela
Ich glaube auch nicht, das Michael anspringen wird.

Das MSI Forum gehört MSI Deutschland.

Same thing is true for Holland/Poland/Glabal forum.
I don\'t own then, MSI does.

1. Das ein User das falsche Bios flascht ist das Problemes des Users.
BIOS flashes sind keine Garantie sache.
2. Das flashen eines Mod Bios ist immer auf eigene Gefahr (Disclaimer).

True, but see my answer before, that user got a beta BIOS from this server and started to attact the forums, all of them.

3. Das jetzt mal Stromausfall war ist höhere Gewalt.

4. Ich hatte im Global Forum nachgefragt ob etwas Bekannt war (Ursache / Wirkung). Betraf ja das Forum und die HP von MSI.
 Da das MSI Global Forum ja auch betroffen war.
5. Ob MSI mit einer \"Privatisierung\" des Forums einverstanden ist, wage ich zu bezweifeln.

Yes the Dutch/Poland/Global forums where down, but just 1 hour, not days.
None of the forums are privatly owned, MSI owns all of them.
Yes also the Global forum, however, we control them in full...MSI just have to ask and I install them back on their servers, no problem at all.
The do get backups and all they need.
The top of MSI has visited me, they wanted to be sure it was in good hands, now they are sure and just let us handle the forums.
Why should the MSI German forum be any different?
It looks to me that you guys don\'t want to deal with the forum at all, as you wouldn\'t have reacted such a way.
None of the MSI forums are privatly owned, but they are run by users that do care....MSI Taiwan trusts us to do it the right way.....and it just works.
It seems to me that MSI Germany doesn\'t trust you and/or you don\'t want it to be run better or with your own design....
I must be missing something here, as the other forums run way better then this one, and MSI is happy with the way they are running.

[Bas]

Originally posted by Xela
Das siehst Du falsch Bas.
MSI Kontrolliert uns nicht.
Wir haben volle Freiheiten.
Ob wir nun das Layout ändern, oder neue Icons basteln.
Ist einzig und alleine unsere Sache.
MSI Funkt uns da nicht dazwischen.

Das dieses Forum auf Englisch geführt wird, wird es Nie geben.
Ist ja auch ein Deutsches Forum oder hab ich das falsch verstanden.

Die Downtime von 3-4 Tagen kann es auf jedem Server geben, wenn der STrom in nem ganzen Bundesland weg ist.

Nennt sich höhere Gewalt.

Und was hat die Einwohnerzahl mit den Postings zu tun ?
Das Kappiere ich nicht.
Ist doch eher Positiv zu sehen, viele User wenige Probleme :rolleyes:

I give up....
Why do I care anyway?
Why where you on the Global forum asking me questions about the German forum?
And funny, the power was gone, but we where up in 1 hour, ever heard of a generator?
Also the power was back in most parts of Germany within 1 day.
I get the same answer over and over again, you don\'t want better, so be it.
This has been the last time I ever mentioned it, as the response is the same over and over again....
Have fun, just delete my account here, and you will never see me again, that would be best.

[Xela]

Glaube mir Bas, MSI wäre nicht das Problem das Forum von uns Privat hosten zu lassen.

Dies könnte ich bestimmt auch Schrifftlich bekommen.

Meine Meinung und bestimmt auch die vieler anderer ist, das dadurch die Kooperation zwischen MSI und MSI Forum deutlich verbessert wird.
Siehe die vielen Preisauschreiben.

Idee und Durchführung von uns, Preise von MSI.
Und die waren letztes Jahr beim Preisausschreiben nicht zu knapp.

Und warum ich gefragt habe ?
INFO Mehr nicht.
Ich sah das auch einige andere User im Global Forum Online waren und hielt es für Angebracht, nach dem Stand der Dinge zu Fragen.
Das nennt sich Wissens austausch.

Hat weder was mit ner Beschwerde zu tun, noch mit sonst was.

[Xela]

Warum jetzt so stinkig ?

Ich finde es Nett, das Du uns über die Vorteile Berichtest, allerdings können wir uns dafür nicht Entscheiden.

Und weder ich noch sonstwer ist Dir Böse, warum auch.

Informationsaustausch hat es doch schon immer zwischen den MSI Forum gegeben.

Also bleib mal locker, und danke für die Info.

Cheers Alex

[Bas]

Originally posted by Xela
Glaube mir Bas, MSI wäre nicht das Problem das Forum von uns Privat hosten zu lassen.

It has been hosted privatly all the time.....
Didn\'t you see the part where I wrote it was handed over because Christian took a laptop as payment?
I run just well before, it was just Jinchich (MSI Taiwan) that was making a mess of it.
This person did try to force me into the same, all Global users still thank me I didn\'t let them put it on their servers.

Also, what is the problem anyway to let this forum run on our servers and be sure it\'s fast and you have full access?
Why should it make a difference in the relation between the forum and MSI Germany other then that it runs faster and better?

To tell you the truth, as you don\'t know it, MSI Germany wanted to get rid of the forum in total, they never supported it, and they never will.
Michael doesn\'t want the forum, he rather let it die then do anything with it.

The same was with MSI Holland forum, I forced it onto them, now it\'s there they support it in full.
I never seen MSI Germany support the forum, they don\'t even like it.
Nor do you have a good contact there that does give any good support.

Please stop pretending, as I have seen how much MSI Germany cares about their forum, they don\'t one bit!
Do you know that I gave a good support line for a few of you guys, guess where the support came from, yep  right, Holland and Taiwan....not Germany.

I have even talked to Taiwan to make it better, the response I got was like: MSI Germany is something special, we don\'t want to get mixed up in that!
And that response was comming from serveral directions.

But hey, just delete my account, you don\'t want better nor do you accept anything...just delete me.

[Bas]

Originally posted by Xela
Warum jetzt so stinkig ?

Ich finde es Nett, das Du uns über die Vorteile Berichtest, allerdings können wir uns dafür nicht Entscheiden.

Und weder ich noch sonstwer ist Dir Böse, warum auch.

Informationsaustausch hat es doch schon immer zwischen den MSI Forum gegeben.

Also bleib mal locker, und danke für die Info.

Cheers Alex

Why do you think? I want to improve things, you don\'t it seems.

Just delete me, thanks.

[Xela]

Don\'t trouble your head about it.
It\'s O.K. for Us.

Ich denke das Thema kann geschlossen werden.
Oder möchte noch jemand was dazu sagen.

[Bas]

Originally posted by Xela
Don\'t trouble your head about it.
It\'s O.K. for Us.

Will you please delete my account then now!
Just remove me and my post all together.

[Xela]

Why You be so angry?
I do not delete You and Your Postings.
But befor we get a Change, we must discuss it by the Team.

But why you be insistent that we Change NOW.
I dont Understand.
Everything must be Discused in the Team.

[Bas]

Originally posted by Xela
Why You be so angry?
I do not delete You and Your Postings.
But befor we get a Change, we must discuss it by the Team.

But why you be insistent that we Change NOW.
I dont Understand.
Everything must be Discused in the Team.

I never said to change now.
However I find it strange that Ingo (notnagel) doesn\'t repond, I have talked this over and over with him.
Funny, you respond the same way, but yet, you all can\'t do anything without passing it to MSI.
What I don\'t get, is the simple thing, why don\'t you want to run the forum the way you want?
It seems you all dislike the way it\'s going, but yet you all don\'t want to change anything.....
I must be freaking nuts to keep pushing this, I don\'t gain anything by doing this, you guys win big time.

The only thing I can show for to MSI Taiwan is: Look I run another forum!
When in fact you guys can alter and change all you like.
Also it will be monitored by Volker 24 hours a day to keep it running.

It doesn\'t bring me anything, then just to prove my loyality to MSI overall, but I don\'t have to prove that anymore, nor does Volker.
They already know how good we are.
We only want you guys to have a faster and better controlled (by you) forum, what\'s against that?
We are all MSI supporters right?
It\'s just that Volker & I think you deserve better and should have all the access you need.
We don\'t want to take over anything, we just want to improve the forum you have.

Just think about it, you have nothing to lose but anything to gain.

[RobertMB]

I think that asking didn\'t kill anyone - if the right one is asked politely :)
When they want to get rid of the GERBoard, why not.
There\'s no Point in it to let it run on their Servers when they don\'t even have an Emergency Respond Team in their DataCenter...

Or the responsible Admins where ordered to fix the other stuff up first.
Dunno, but its possible.

[Tigerjan]

Wir sind ein deutsches Forum!

Und Bas kann deutsch auch problemlos lesen, andere hier aber kein englisch ... siehe seine Signatur.

[der Notnagel]

Hallo Bas, du weißt genau, wie die Situation ist, die das Forum betrifft. Trotzdem Danke für dein Angebot und deine Bemühungen.
Der Ausfall des Servers lag übrigens nicht an MSI sondern am Provider. Wenn der keine funktionierende Leitung hat, nützt der beste Server nichts.

Bei all deinem Intresse an diesem Forum möchte ich dich darum bitten, dafür Sorge zu tragen, daß auf deinem Server im globalen Forum keine Passwörter zu MSI-Servern gepostet werden.
Gleichzeitig kannst du Dank deiner Beziehungen zu MSI dafür Sorgen, daß auf deren Servern keine illegale Software öffentlich bereitgestellt wird (Cyberlink.PowerDVD.Deluxe.v7.0.Multilingual.Incl.Keymaker-CORE).
Ich glaub das ist für MSI wichtiger, wie die Probleme, die dich in diesem Forum bewegen.